Occasionally found UX courses costing $0 up-front + 17% of salary for 2 years

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#1

https://www.lambdaschool.com/courses/ux/
They suggest several courses 30 weeks long, including UX Design with an interesting payment scheme:

Instead of paying tuition, students can agree to pay a percentage of their income after they’re employed, and only if they’re making more than $50k per year.
If you don’t find a job, or don’t reach that level of income, you’ll never pay a cent.

Unfortunately, for US or EU citizens only, so I do not qualify. But I am curious if maybe anybody knows about this school and have a positive experience with it?

This could be a great starting point!


#2

100%, absolutely, positively, STAY AWAY from these courses. To call them predatory is an understatement.


#3

Agreed, sounds dodgy. How long do they make you commit to that?


#4

They say first 2 years if salary is at least $50k per year.
They say that their course is worth 20k (they have an option to pay it up-front instead of 17% agreement). For this price, the course must be of a very high quality, which I doubt. That’s my concern, but the terms of the agreement itself seem quite clear to me.


#5

Why? What’s the catch?


#6

I’d be hesitant about this course. I got the syllabus and there is not much depth there for 30 weeks. Note, I am biased as I have created the curriculum for 2 schools. :grinning: I ran a 12-week UX boot camp and my students had a total of 4 projects for their portfolio at the end. Three of those were real client projects.
Also, I interviewed to be an instructor there and after going through the 4-week process they told me they aren’t hiring, even though the job is still posted on their website. It’s been up since June.
Finally, 8 weeks of the 30 is spent on coding, which is not required to be a UX Designer. It’s good to have some basics, but learning Swift and data structures tells me they don’t have the right UX people there. CenterCentre is 2 years long and they don’t have learning in-depth coding.
Just my 2 cents. :grinning:


#7

Pick something that is clear. I’ve done my share on online training and I still keep on doing it.
I find it at least suspicious that they say that this costs 20k.
On top of that there are many good starting points if you look around.


#8

@jdebari
Thank you for the info, that’s definitely not good. I did not see so much coding in their syllabus, just some, which I considered ok for a coding school. But you probably got a more detailed syllabus, and this is great to hear the voice of someone who is almost an insider!
Although they claim to have lecturers from Google and Apple, I am hesitant whether it is true after your words.
By the way, I found many controversial reviews on Reddit, so, yes this school is worth double checking.

Could you advise any online UX bootcamp?


#9

Well, they claim a lot. The question is whether all of this is true…


#10

$20k and 17% of salary is the catch. The first is amazingly expensive for such a short course, and the second is downright predatory.


#11

@AnLev I put together a chart that might help, https://www.juliad.com/blog/which-ux-career-accelerator-should-i-go-to.

I usually recommend CareerFoundry or Designlab. They both offer job guarantees. I like Designlab better because you get more projects, but CareerFoundry provides more depth.

Hope that helps!


#12

+1 for Designlab. I liked their UX Research course because it was easier on my wallet and I loved my mentor. I didn’t consider the full UX Academy since there were a lot of things I already knew. I’ve paired this with Interaction Design Foundation for more in depth reading and resources.


#13

Agree. They claim a lot. Nevertheless, it is too much.

17% of salary during the first 2 years. So, disagree here. But everyone decides to himself, it’s the same as deciding whether to take a loan.


#14

@jdebari
That’s a huge help!
I wonder whether they have job guarantees within Ukraine. In fact, the question is whether they consider Ukraine as Europe or do they mean EU only (I bet the second).
Anyway, I can not afford it right now, just curious.

P.S. your site is beautiful! Very pleasant design, clear structure, super fast loading. Number one bookmark in my Portfolios folder now!

@candicodeit
Thanks! Did you take this course https://trydesignlab.com/ux-design-course/ ?
I am also thinking about IDF courses subscription.


#15

@AnLev, Both CareerFoundry, and Designlab might offer scholarships. They don’t advertise it, but I know they can be flexible with payment plans. Might be worth looking into.


#16

@AnLev Thank you for the kind comments about my portfolio site! Always a work in progress. :slight_smile:
Springboard is cheaper, might be worth looking into. They have good mentors, just not as much depth.


#17

Yes, that’s the course I took. It helps when you do a project you’re interested in vs the suggested. I had a really great mentor who also had a research background before she became a UX designer.

If you sign up with this link, it’ll take $25 off the course:

I think IDF offers first 3 months free. If they don’t, I think I have a link for that. Just ping me.


#18

@jdebari Thank you for your great advice!

@candicodeit Yes, UXMastery gives this 3-month discount on IDF. Although the subscribtion is pais tearly.


#19

I rarely speak in absolutes, so please understand that I mean this respectfully.

You are wrong. This isn’t a “everyone decides that for themself” sorta thing. 17% of salary is an absolutely huge number - enough to make it economically impossible to survive as an individual (let alone a family) if your salary is low enough. Consider if your salary is $50k/year (a not un-heard-of, but low, salary for a Junior UXer in my area). Between taxes and a 17% salary forfeiture, you’d be making around $30k/year. If you have any family at all, it’s not going to be easy to stay afloat on that wage.

There’s another whole conversation to be had here as well - increasingly, employers are ignoring the education of applicants who have gone through these types of training courses, preferring only to recognize education from accredited, 4-year degree programs. Whether or not this is fair is a conversation to have, to be sure, but it’s absolutely an accurate reflection of what’s happening.

The reason why this is happening is because the quality of these types of programs is often dubious. When you buy into this type of program, you have no idea what you’re getting - and employers who are seeing a name of a course provider on a resume have no idea of the quality they represent. UX boot camps and intensive courses have increasingly become cash cows for unscrupulous operators who run them in the “University of Phoenix” for-profit diploma mill fashion.

Because of this, some employers are discarding applicants with non-accredited UX education on their resumes outright. In short, even if you go through one of these programs, it may hurt your application, not help it. You may be better off not even listing it on a resume.

So what are you really getting for $20k or 17% of your salary for two years? A certificate that may mean something to your potential interviewers - but probably won’t help you, and may even automatically disqualify you. You might be getting some practical work that you might be able to put in your portfolio, but given the quality of the education even this practical work might not be able.

Moral of the story - you are far better off spending $20k on a community college UX/UI/Design degree than you are going through one of these bootcamps. It will do more to help you get noticed, give you better experience, and give you more in the way of practical skills.


#20

@dougcollins
I’m sorry, I am not ready to argue further. Don’t want to be their advocate and don’t want to dig deeper as I did not consider enrolling.

Just want to add that I appreciate your wholehearted commitment to justice and common sense (I hope this does not sound like sarcasm, I am absolutely sincere)! I am so glad to get into a community with such frank and generous people!