App opportunity - Geolocation - Ambitious plans


#1

Hi all,

For the last year or so I have been creating the plan for a geolocation app. After speaking with people of all ages and putting together a solid spec which includes user journey, technical, marketing and user forecast elements we are now looking for a designer to join the team. We already have simple wireframes and have done some work on the overall look and feel but the opportunity to really make this happen is there.

This app is simple, has not been done before though the technology is freely available and could be huge.

I know that a ‘designer’ ux, ui etc etc… could come in many forms and so I am hoping to find the right person.

We are currently a team of two. Personally, I am an SEO director and will be able to manage the business / marketing and my partner is an App Developer with successful experience of the app development process from design through to achieving millions of users.

We are looking for a pro-active ux/ui designer with whom we will allocate shares for their time.

If you would like to know more and view the plans, please send me your details as well as link to your LinkedIn and an online portfolio if possible. I can then respond with the NDA we can have a chat and you can view the plans. Preferably UK based applicants. My email is email @ mattatkinson.co.uk


#2

While I can appreciate that you’re looking for some low-cost help for your project, working for shares or exposure should never be an option for a UX professional. Our time and expertise is a precious resource, and those who truly appreciate our expertise are willing to pay for it. If you want good work done, I’d suggest finding a way to pay for it as well.

Personally, I wouldn’t feel comfortable spending time and effort on a project that hasn’t proven an ability to raise startup capital or properly manage resources.

If you’d like some help on the business case side of things, might I suggest this article? http://purchasinginsight.com/resources/how-to-build-a-business-case/


Edited for grammar only.


#3

Hi @dougcollins and thanks for the response.
We are not talking about simply paying a small amount of shares but a full partnership. I want to ensure that the team of three that makes this a reality is fully bought in to the process not just working on the clock for a wage.
Coming from a web design background I am conscious of the whole ‘make this for me now and there will be loads of work down the line’ mentality and steer well clear.
I am looking for someone to sacrifice some of their time for what could be a very successful and life changing project.The clarity of the plans and idea should illustrate to any suitable designer (relevant skills and time available) that the project is worth considering.
At the same time I respect your opinion but hope someone is prepared to look at this in more detail.
Matt


#4

Matt, I’m honestly surprised that, in one breath, you say you “steer well clear” of work like this, but then ask someone in the community to do it anyway.

Perhaps a more appropriate venue for your request would be a community dedicated to producing free design. https://www.reddit.com/r/freedesign comes to mind, though I’d caution you to remember that you get what you pay for.


#5

Hi Doug,
I am not interested in free design but a talented individual who wishes to join my startup. Perhaps we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
The opportunity is still available if anyone is interested.
Matt


#6

I’m still at a loss as to why you think it’s okay to not pay for talented individuals with an actual paycheck.

I’d strongly caution the community to stay away from this and any other similar “for exposure/shares/future considerations” type offers. Even if begun with the best of intentions, if a venture doesn’t have the ability to build a business plan and garner startup capital it will almost universally result in a waste of time for all involved.

Furthermore, giving away your skills and abilities for free only hurts your ability (and the ability of our profession as a whole) to earn what you’re worth.


#7

I’m on the fence about this one. I hear (and support) your points Doug and I think they are valid – for most people.

The reason for my hesitance is that my partner has entered into agreements like the one suggested above a couple of times, both with great success. The caveat is that he has another full time job and these were side projects which he did for enjoyment/learning/possible future profit.

I think it can work really well, but you have to make sure you know what you’re going into and are well protected with documentation.


#8

I think it’s one thing if it’s a passion project. Working on something you truly enjoy doing for it’s own sake is one thing, and is actually a good way to build your skills.

That said, your partner’s success is the first I’ve heard of anyone entering into an agreement like the one proposed by Matt without it ending in drama and heartache. Too often, the projects are poorly managed, suffer from bad internal communication, and ultimately fails. Even one team members lacking the commitment or time to make it work can kills a small project in its fledgling stage.

For these reasons, I personally won’t commit my time to any project that hasn’t proven its business savvy by building a business plan and at least attempting to raise capital. At some point any successful venture is going to need to do this. Seeing a business plan and investors is a great way to separate projects backed by a group that has the basic business skills to succeed against those who lack basic business acumen.

The only exception I make is to personal passion projects, and for people that I know like me well enough that it won’t sour our relationship if the project fails.

I couldn’t agree more about your point of having a clear understanding of what you’re getting into, and having documentation about your roles, expectations, and responsibilities, especially in the event that the venture fails. In the US at least, projects like these highlight the need for freelancers to have an LLC to protect your personal assets in the event that a project fails (but that’s another topic entirely).


#9

What you say makes sense Doug. I don’t want to argue with you but I will answer your question as to why I think its ok.

We are in the stage before trying to raise capital and as we are going to do this in a novel way, need to have collateral in place beforehand. This creates the need for a designer even if it is just to create a pitch deck, logo and branding. We will then try to secure funding, not from venture capitalists but from authorities within the tourism industry. Once we have secured funding we can approach a development company to create the app to stringent guidelines. I can then market it with my team.

So you see, it is not a normal type of project. We (myself and two partners) will provide the backbone of app and as we have people from each general specialism will find it easier to navigate the BS which clearly flies in this type of scenario.

Anyway I hope this has gone some way to assuaging your concerns. Perhaps you have had your fingers burnt previously but everyone has the right to try something of this nature even if it is just to say ‘i should have listened’ at the end of it.


#10

@mattonux I still contend that you haven’t done much to answer the question of why you think it’s okay to not pay someone with actual money for the work that you’re asking them to do.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again-- you get what you pay for in this industry. While there may be some people willing to take on this kind of project on spec, you won’t get nearly the results you would if you took the time and money to hire a professional designer or agency.

If what you need to get additional funding is just a pitch deck, then come up with the funding to pay a professional to help with you that piece. If your idea is truly as good as you contend, I would think it wouldn’t be hard to get an interested party to front a few hundred dollars (at minimum) for branding and logo development. Small business loans are available in abundance as well. I’m sure that you and your business partners may be able to come up with a modest sum out-of-pocket to pay a designer.

The kind of arrangement you’re proposing doesn’t help anyone. Your new “partner” only ends up with a modest amount of experience for a project that’s more likely than not to fail. You end up with what are likely to be sub-par logos, graphics and pitch decks, which will have to be re-done by another, more experienced designer at a near-future date should you ever manage to secure funding-- a likelihood decreased by the quality of your logos, graphics, and pitch decks. From a business perspective, it doesn’t make much sense to pay twice for work that should only be done once. I’m sure you’d agree with that.

That’s not to mention that whoever ends up doing this work for free (assuming the idea fails, which, as we’ve talked about already, is more than likely) is only furthering the myth that it’s okay to not pay design professionals for the work they produce, thereby bringing down overall wages and hurting the industry as a whole.

I know this sounds a little harsh, and maybe it is. Please know that I’m writing this as much for your benefit as for the other users here. If you want to give your product the best chance to succeed, do not scrimp on branding and design. Find that budget, vet and hire a professional, and cotinue forward with your plan. That’s the best method to give your product a chance of success at this juncture.


#11

I would not have entered into the conversation if I was scared to hear the truth. If anything I thought I could learn something. I will check out the links you provide and take on board your opinion.

Thanks Doug :slight_smile: